Just smoked a macanudo Lords. Was a brillant little smoke.Won't be the last time a smoke a macanudo. Anyone have a suggestion for a good macanudo?
The only good Macanudo is a dead Macanudo.
Other than that, the Vintage 1988's are very nice, and some of the 1984's have smoked well also.
Other than that, the Vintage 1988's are very nice, and some of the 1984's have smoked well also.
I worked with a guy that WORSHIPED Vintage Mac's. I can't stand Macanudos though. Not only do they taste bad to me, it's their whole image of being the "cigar boom" cigar that just turns me off.
i saw this thread and i knew it was gonna be trouble....
sorry tomysole, the folks around here dont take kindly to macanudos :wink:
sorry tomysole, the folks around here dont take kindly to macanudos :wink:
I recall a cigar party we had at Club Macanudo in NY.
A friend's friend was smoking a Mac and placed it in the ashtray.
I pulled out a pocket knife and stabbed it several times.
The person (don't remember his name) was very upset.
I handed him a fine Cuban cigar and asked if he wouldn't rather smoke that? At that point he pulled out 2 other Mac. he had and asked if I could stab them as well!
One per customer I told him :wink:
A friend's friend was smoking a Mac and placed it in the ashtray.
I pulled out a pocket knife and stabbed it several times.
The person (don't remember his name) was very upset.
I handed him a fine Cuban cigar and asked if he wouldn't rather smoke that? At that point he pulled out 2 other Mac. he had and asked if I could stab them as well!
One per customer I told him :wink:
I used to drink folgers coffee and be happy before CastleCrest ruined it all for me by telling me about home roasting. Don't let him destroy the perfect smoke for you!
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And as for what Wolfdaddy said, yes, that's the problem, they're totally flavorless. It's one thing to like mild cigars, as I generally do, but it IS possible to have mildness WITH FLAVOR. Macanudos just don't have it.
Hmmmmmmmmmm, we both like Hemingways, both think Macanudos are bland, hmmmmmmmmmm, . . .
MY LONG LOST BROTHER, WOLFIE!!!!!!
:wine: :birthday: :cheerschug: :cheers: :birthday:
And as for what Wolfdaddy said, yes, that's the problem, they're totally flavorless. It's one thing to like mild cigars, as I generally do, but it IS possible to have mildness WITH FLAVOR. Macanudos just don't have it.
Hmmmmmmmmmm, we both like Hemingways, both think Macanudos are bland, hmmmmmmmmmm, . . .
MY LONG LOST BROTHER, WOLFIE!!!!!!
:wine: :birthday: :cheerschug: :cheers: :birthday:
macs are so popular because people can smoke them with no problem and not feel like they have smoked a cigar.
jihiggs said:
wtf is the point of smoking it then? Kinda defeats the purpose.
I need some more Hemingways...the one I have was one of the victims that got dried out.
Wolfie, jhiggs is echoing a comment that I and others have been making for years.
The funny thing about his comment is that very early this morning, before I went to bed, I typed a long, lonnnnnnnnggggg rant on this thread which started out with that very same comment. After looking at it, I decided that I need to grow up and stop giving my unvarnished opinion, even if it's worded in a non-offensive way. I'm just so tired of giving my opinion on issues, and it takes up a lot of time. I have a tendency to gravitate toward a distinctly blond(e) trait, that of saying a lot, and getting people to fall asleep or have their eyes spinning around in their heads. At the end of it, I and a lot of other people are wondering wtf I was doing talking so much anyway.
Having said that, jhiggs' comment points to what was said much earlier in this thread about Macadoodoos being a "boom cigar."
You see, there are a lot of what we call "yuppies" in this part of the country, which we all know stands for Young Urban Professionals. These are the same kind of people who inspired the phrase "status symbol land," in that famous song from the 60's, or perhaps early 70's.
Many of them are very shallow, self-important, self-centered, EXTREMELY materialistic people who identify very strongly with many Hollywood types. They don't watch the news or read the paper, but they all know that Republicans are agents of Satan, etc. The VERY rich ARE Republicans but still possess all of the above traits, but in any case, we are talking about people who never really "get into" anything for a lifetime, because everything is a toy, and every interest is a passing one, not a lifetime hobby, or passion. They are not even passionate about their husbands or wives, because those are just toys, too.
Without getting as wordy I got in the post I never made about 12 hours ago, I think you see what I mean. The folks from Hollywood, and all the middle managers, stockbrokers, attorneys, and CEO's who got into cigar smoking during the boom never really wanted to become "cigar smokers." And God forbid that they should ever get kicked in the head with an Earnie Shavers-like punch from a cigar. That's soooooo unpleasant. And it is.
So, what to do, what to do? Well, you have a bunch of smooth, mild, flavorless cigars on the market, and you sell them to people who really can't handle a cigar with any flavor or strength (like me :cryinlaugh: ), and people who want to look important at the big office party in Status Symbol Land, walk around the club going blah, blah, did you hear the one about . . ., etc., with a huge, flavorless cigar in their mouth, turned so that the band will show clearly to anyone they're talking to, and they get through that stage of their life knowing that at one time they were "a Big Time Cigah Smokuh."
Big deal. I'm going to stop here, but I could go on and on ad nauseaum. If you think this commentary is harsh, you should have heard me on another web site. If you want to know what I mean, there are some friends of mine from that other place who, along with Castle Crest, now inhabit a fine cigar web site, http://www.cigarwise.com. Just try going over there and mentioning Macanudos. If you don't get shot or wind up shooting someone yourself, you will definitely come back here with your tail between your legs.
The funny thing about his comment is that very early this morning, before I went to bed, I typed a long, lonnnnnnnnggggg rant on this thread which started out with that very same comment. After looking at it, I decided that I need to grow up and stop giving my unvarnished opinion, even if it's worded in a non-offensive way. I'm just so tired of giving my opinion on issues, and it takes up a lot of time. I have a tendency to gravitate toward a distinctly blond(e) trait, that of saying a lot, and getting people to fall asleep or have their eyes spinning around in their heads. At the end of it, I and a lot of other people are wondering wtf I was doing talking so much anyway.
Having said that, jhiggs' comment points to what was said much earlier in this thread about Macadoodoos being a "boom cigar."
You see, there are a lot of what we call "yuppies" in this part of the country, which we all know stands for Young Urban Professionals. These are the same kind of people who inspired the phrase "status symbol land," in that famous song from the 60's, or perhaps early 70's.
Many of them are very shallow, self-important, self-centered, EXTREMELY materialistic people who identify very strongly with many Hollywood types. They don't watch the news or read the paper, but they all know that Republicans are agents of Satan, etc. The VERY rich ARE Republicans but still possess all of the above traits, but in any case, we are talking about people who never really "get into" anything for a lifetime, because everything is a toy, and every interest is a passing one, not a lifetime hobby, or passion. They are not even passionate about their husbands or wives, because those are just toys, too.
Without getting as wordy I got in the post I never made about 12 hours ago, I think you see what I mean. The folks from Hollywood, and all the middle managers, stockbrokers, attorneys, and CEO's who got into cigar smoking during the boom never really wanted to become "cigar smokers." And God forbid that they should ever get kicked in the head with an Earnie Shavers-like punch from a cigar. That's soooooo unpleasant. And it is.
So, what to do, what to do? Well, you have a bunch of smooth, mild, flavorless cigars on the market, and you sell them to people who really can't handle a cigar with any flavor or strength (like me :cryinlaugh: ), and people who want to look important at the big office party in Status Symbol Land, walk around the club going blah, blah, did you hear the one about . . ., etc., with a huge, flavorless cigar in their mouth, turned so that the band will show clearly to anyone they're talking to, and they get through that stage of their life knowing that at one time they were "a Big Time Cigah Smokuh."
Big deal. I'm going to stop here, but I could go on and on ad nauseaum. If you think this commentary is harsh, you should have heard me on another web site. If you want to know what I mean, there are some friends of mine from that other place who, along with Castle Crest, now inhabit a fine cigar web site, http://www.cigarwise.com. Just try going over there and mentioning Macanudos. If you don't get shot or wind up shooting someone yourself, you will definitely come back here with your tail between your legs.
Bloof, that statment was stronger than a Diploma!!!! :wink: I don't think anyone could have said it better!!!
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Well, I'm just telling the truth as a majority of seasoned cigar smokers, even guys like me who can't handle strong cigars, would put it. Macanudos, just like flavored cigars, aren't considered "real" cigars.
That doesn't mean that I don't respect somebody's right to like what they like, because I do, and I could be watching their butt walking into God's Kingdom on Judgment Day while the gate's closing on me. In the here and now, I reserve the right to my own opinion, no matter how strong, I just hate giving it anymore, especially when it's strong. Wolfdaddy's inquiry however, left me compelled to agree with jhiggs' statements, and take the responsibility to explain it.
After all, I typed a post which was even stronger about 12 hours ago, but decided to delete it, because giving my opinion in that fashion often gets me into trouble, and I'm tired of it all. Still and all, I felt it was necessary to explain jhiggs' comment, and offer some reasons why. I stand by my explanation, although I'm expecting some sort of broadside from some corner of the world. I took the time and responsibility to explain a widely and strongly held belief, and I stand ready to accept the consequences, if any.
Well, I'm just telling the truth as a majority of seasoned cigar smokers, even guys like me who can't handle strong cigars, would put it. Macanudos, just like flavored cigars, aren't considered "real" cigars.
That doesn't mean that I don't respect somebody's right to like what they like, because I do, and I could be watching their butt walking into God's Kingdom on Judgment Day while the gate's closing on me. In the here and now, I reserve the right to my own opinion, no matter how strong, I just hate giving it anymore, especially when it's strong. Wolfdaddy's inquiry however, left me compelled to agree with jhiggs' statements, and take the responsibility to explain it.
After all, I typed a post which was even stronger about 12 hours ago, but decided to delete it, because giving my opinion in that fashion often gets me into trouble, and I'm tired of it all. Still and all, I felt it was necessary to explain jhiggs' comment, and offer some reasons why. I stand by my explanation, although I'm expecting some sort of broadside from some corner of the world. I took the time and responsibility to explain a widely and strongly held belief, and I stand ready to accept the consequences, if any.
ugh...we've got plenty of yuppies around here too, so I know what you mean.
I didn't mean to stir up any sh*t, but Bloof's explanantion makes sense to me.
I didn't mean to stir up any sh*t, but Bloof's explanantion makes sense to me.
Well, it took me a couple years of cigar smoking to get that point, but it's been a widely held belief since long before I starting smoking cigars. I also remember when the cigar boom started. I didn't start smoking them until the late summer of '96, just about three years before the very end of the boom, although the boom was beginning to peter out around '97.
Cigar smoking was "all the rage," clubs had sprung up everywhere, etc. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to do something just because "the guys at the office say this is the new 'thing,' and I wanna be jus' like them." Unfortunately though, Status Symbol Land is not just a misguided hippie notion. There was a reason for the cultural revolution of the 60's, and although it ended badly, with the phoniness of a lot of people suddenly becoming evident, and the lack of any real plan also in the forefront, some good ideas were put forth.
One of the ideas that was put forth was that America had become, for many people and in many ways, a "Status Symbol Land" where people got roped into the notion that going to certain schools, entering certain professions, making a certain amount of money, and living a certain, very 'planned' and structured kind of hedonistic life style, was all important, and an end in itself.
We know very well that isn't the case, but all you have to do is ride the subway in NYC from 42nd Street on down to the financial district. Take a look around on the train, see the clothes, listen to the conversations. When the No. 4 train gets to Fulton Street, get out, walk around, go look at Ground Zero, then proceed to walk around some more. Listen to some more conversations. The homes they live in are huge, mommy makes $150,000, daddy is a "very important" man at the firm, makes $250,000, and the kids are at home with an "au pere."
Of course, they're planning on retiring at no more than 45, mommy will stop working at 40, and they'll probably spend at least three months out of every year from that point until death, living on their 150 foot yacht with some friends from "the club." Should I go on? I'm not the first one to make these observations, but just look at who and what is popular in American culture, and you'll see what I mean.
For example, "going to the movies." Just that ONE American phenomenon. Haven't Americans come the point where they can't even explain WHY they "go to the movies" any more? I mean seriously, there isn't anyone here who can explain to me why they NEED to ever "go to the movies" again in order to live a fulfilling life. You CAN'T ever explain it to me. But you'll keep going to the movies. Why? Well, why not, everybody does it, right?
Again, I could go on and on, but this was about a certain kind of cigar, not just Macanudos either, lest we get people believing that Macanudos are the "Republicans" of the cigar world.
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Cigar smoking was "all the rage," clubs had sprung up everywhere, etc. I'm sorry, but I'm not going to do something just because "the guys at the office say this is the new 'thing,' and I wanna be jus' like them." Unfortunately though, Status Symbol Land is not just a misguided hippie notion. There was a reason for the cultural revolution of the 60's, and although it ended badly, with the phoniness of a lot of people suddenly becoming evident, and the lack of any real plan also in the forefront, some good ideas were put forth.
One of the ideas that was put forth was that America had become, for many people and in many ways, a "Status Symbol Land" where people got roped into the notion that going to certain schools, entering certain professions, making a certain amount of money, and living a certain, very 'planned' and structured kind of hedonistic life style, was all important, and an end in itself.
We know very well that isn't the case, but all you have to do is ride the subway in NYC from 42nd Street on down to the financial district. Take a look around on the train, see the clothes, listen to the conversations. When the No. 4 train gets to Fulton Street, get out, walk around, go look at Ground Zero, then proceed to walk around some more. Listen to some more conversations. The homes they live in are huge, mommy makes $150,000, daddy is a "very important" man at the firm, makes $250,000, and the kids are at home with an "au pere."
Of course, they're planning on retiring at no more than 45, mommy will stop working at 40, and they'll probably spend at least three months out of every year from that point until death, living on their 150 foot yacht with some friends from "the club." Should I go on? I'm not the first one to make these observations, but just look at who and what is popular in American culture, and you'll see what I mean.
For example, "going to the movies." Just that ONE American phenomenon. Haven't Americans come the point where they can't even explain WHY they "go to the movies" any more? I mean seriously, there isn't anyone here who can explain to me why they NEED to ever "go to the movies" again in order to live a fulfilling life. You CAN'T ever explain it to me. But you'll keep going to the movies. Why? Well, why not, everybody does it, right?
Again, I could go on and on, but this was about a certain kind of cigar, not just Macanudos either, lest we get people believing that Macanudos are the "Republicans" of the cigar world.
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Bloof, you really hit the nail on the head. I remember all those "materialistic pissing contests" that I had to listen to if I forgot to bring my DiscMan on the Subway. Now that I'm out west, I see the same thing up in La La Land. Go to any bar or club in L.A. and you're guaranteed to spot one of the mindless fad followers (aka Hollywood wannabes), some with Crapanudo in hand (lit or unlit depending on the establishment) that makes Hollyweird what it is today. If anyone ever wants a break from reality I strongly suggest going there. Just make sure to bring a camera, because the folks back home might not believe you.
Bloof, you really hit the nail on the head. I remember all those "materialistic pissing contests" that I had to listen to if I forgot to bring my DiscMan on the Subway. Now that I'm out west, I see the same thing up in La La Land. Go to any bar or club in L.A. and you're guaranteed to spot one of the mindless fad followers (aka Hollywood wannabes), some with Crapanudo in hand (lit or unlit depending on the establishment) that makes Hollyweird what it is today. If anyone ever wants a break from reality I strongly suggest going there. Just make sure to bring a camera, because the folks back home might not believe you.
wow
Didn't think this topic would get so heated. That was the only time I had ever tried a macanudo. I smoke cuban cigars regularly as my mother in law who lives in south america sends me what I want. I usally like cohiba siglo VI and coronas especiales. I have tried a variety of quality cigars and I actually enjoyed the macanudo I tried. The draw wasn't as smooth as I would have liked but I did enjoy it. Not used to smoking dominican cigars though, so I guess I was expecting less. Don't hate on me for liking a cigar. Now if I was telling you about a phillies blunt then you could easily give it to me!! Thanks for the suggestions though!!
Didn't think this topic would get so heated. That was the only time I had ever tried a macanudo. I smoke cuban cigars regularly as my mother in law who lives in south america sends me what I want. I usally like cohiba siglo VI and coronas especiales. I have tried a variety of quality cigars and I actually enjoyed the macanudo I tried. The draw wasn't as smooth as I would have liked but I did enjoy it. Not used to smoking dominican cigars though, so I guess I was expecting less. Don't hate on me for liking a cigar. Now if I was telling you about a phillies blunt then you could easily give it to me!! Thanks for the suggestions though!!
