Second hand smoke

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Issue One: Secondhand smoke
Sunday, July 09, 2006

Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


Show me the data


Your June 29 article "Public Smoke Ban Sought: Surgeon General's Report Sparks Push for Statewide Curbs" points out accurately that a new federal report says "secondhand smoke kills an estimated 50,000 people annually," calling the evidence "indisputable."

The surgeon general's efforts against tobacco can be applauded but are based on no scientific foundation. The largest study to date, "Multicenter Case-Control Study of Exposure to Environmental Tobacco Smoke and Lung Cancer in Europe" (Journal of the National Cancer Institute, Vol. 90, No. 14, 1998), failed to find any significant lung cancer in those exposed to environmental tobacco smoke either as children or adults living with a smoker.

Another example of anti-tobacco misinformation is the landmark 1993 report in which the Environmental Protection Agency declared that environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) is a dangerous carcinogen that kills 3,000 Americans yearly.

Five years later, in July 1998, federal judge William L. Osteen lambasted the EPA for "cherry picking" the data, excluding studies that "demonstrated no association between ETS and cancer" and withholding "significant portions of its findings and reasoning in striving to confirm its a priori hypothesis." Both "the record and EPA's explanation," concluded the court, "make it clear that using standard methodology, EPA could not produce statistically significant results."

As a physician, I am a firm believer that tobacco use can lead to many diseases. Using any tobacco product is an adult decision. Those who use tobacco need correct risk information.

As a citizen, I expect our government to base legislation on firm foundations. The best major studies fail to prove a causal relationship of secondhand tobacco smoke to cancer. That evidence is clear to me or any student of the secondhand tobacco smoke field. I would've hoped that our surgeon general was more informed.


MARC J. SCHNEIDERMAN, M.D.
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Marc is a friend & fellow Burghherfer , consumer of Single malt scotch, coffee & a visitor to the Qtr.Deck , other than that he is a fairly sane person & why he hangs out with the rest of us is beyond my comprehension.
So tell the smoke Natzis there data is flawed , I plan on sending this letter to the Surgeon General , just one more LIE from BIG BROTHER & the Federal Government .
In a recient magazine artical I saw a story that 70% of all chefs are cigar smokers & 2% smoke cigeretts also , as a life long chef & cigar smoker ( both over 50 years ) I had more ill effects from over eating than I ever did from Cigar smoking , I wonder how BIG I would have been had it not been for the cigars, just think If I were eating all the time I spent smoking, dammmmmm I would be dead by now for sure, so in a way CIGAR SMOKING SAVED MY LIFE !!! now EPA, put that in your pipe & smoke it ! hahaha Enjoy, Vince
 
Excellent letter Vince. You should see the latest commercial our government has funded regarding 2nd hand smoke. It portrays a waitress telling her story how 2nd hand smoke has given her lung cancer that cannot be cured.

I feel very sorry that that person in the commercial it is a terrible desease that she has, but that is no reason for the anti-smoking backlash that has resulted, and there is no need for the government to use her as a spokesperson to prop up their feeble claims.

Anyway, keep on keeping on brother, and write that letter - the squeaky wheel is the one that gets the attention!!
 
that and when should the govenrment have control over our decisions.


If my job is killing me slowly or i know it may and chose to stay there then its MY problem.
 
The claims are indeed feeble, though even if they were supported by the strongest evidence, it wouldn't make a bit of difference to me.

I don't generally smoke in public places, but nevertheless, these bans and goverment ideas are of great concern to me. Its not that they curtail my enjoyment but they rather curtail my right to freedom. That doesn't just pertain to me as a smoker, it also pertains to me as an individual. If I should so choose to be in a smoky bar turning my lungs black, its MY PEROGATIVE TO DO SO. Smoking may be a "disgusting habit" to many, but I don't beleive that should be an issue in the government eye. In no way shape or form does the government, city, state, or federal have any damn business business in what I do in my free time. They don't care about my welfare in other ways so why should they about this.

Why? Well we all know why, because its a good campaign platform, and because, perhaps more importantly, it takes our minds off other issues, like say being shafted by illogical taxes, poor education systems, TWO wars, shady international dealings, domestic spying, states going against federal government. The list goes on and on.

That's not meant to be a shot or unpatriotic, its meant to be the truth, and its sad.

OK, off the soapbox now...
 
When will it end. Are they going to outlaw fast food or any food that is not considered healthy? Is drinking next? How many people die from heart disease and diabetes from eating poorly. What about pollution...how many people is it killing? Cars, boats, motorcycles, airplanes, guns, medications, snakes.....the list could go on and on....if they want to ban anything that can kill someone then they will be very busy. In my opinion the problems with smoking are solved because at first it was the fact that tobbaco compnays were hiding the fact that it was bad for people....well that has all changed now. EVERYONE knows about the dangers of smoking... if they choose to do it then they are making an informed decision that they as an adult can make. In my honest opinion I think if you choose to smoke cigaretts then you are making a dumb decision, but it is your decision to make and if you want to smoke 5 packs a day then have fun. The govt. should try to fix the real problems and keep out of this one....they have bigger fish to fry then where I smoke my cigars.
 
Is smoking bad for one's health? Yes

Does that stop me from smoking? No

Why not? Because Padrons are damn good!!!
 
chrisguinther said:
Is smoking bad for one's health? Yes

Does that stop me from smoking? No

Why not? Because Padrons are damn good!!!

Yes & so are Fuente,Camacho,Partagas,Bahia,Rocky Patel,Onyx,Montecristo,Trinadad,Dunhill,Zino,Fonseca,H.Upman, Henry Clay,CAO,AVO,Davidoff,Mambacho, Cacique,Nicaro & Lamperia , Plus a few others in the deep dark hiding places in my Humidors !

Over the years I have found out you cant legislate Morality or Stupidity , you can tax them all you want but you cant out law anything, some one some place will fill the void, , with out the Volsted act ( Prohibition ) the Mafia would have never had any great income & the Kennedys would have been a poor Irish family of cops & firemen, when the laws go in place to limit human consumption that will be the hot ticket to make BIG BUCKS, , stock up now , sell later at a HUGE profit ! Enjoy, Vince