double maduro

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This is interesting for anyone who wanted to know the diffence between double maduro and oscuro and what exactly a double maduro is. It is a response to the question as answered by one of the big wig cigar guys over at general cigar.

"Oscuro (basically black) - Also referred to as "Double Maduro or "Maduro Maduro." Very few of these are produced today with a few notable exceptions: the very full-flavored...Honduran Punch & Hoyo de Monterrey Double Maduro...Also let me dismiss a common repeated fallacy regarding Double Maduro & Maduro Maduro cigars: These terms refer solely to their color and not that the cigar is wrapped in two maduro wrappers or a maduro wrapper and binder combo. Somehow this "two-wrapper" mistruth continues to be repeated by some tobacconist year after year. Please when you hear someone say this, politely educate him or her for everyone's benefit.
   What are double maduro and oscuro? Double maduro is a wrapper which is a darker brown than a traditional maduro wrapper. Sometimes they can be almost black; they are also called "maduro maduro" or "oscuro" wrappers. In error, some supposed experts have stated that it means that the cigar has a maduro binder and maduro wrapper; this is untrue. There is no such thing as a maduro binder, per se. Nobody wastes good wrapper leaf as binder, plus a good wrapper leaf could seldom function as a binder, due to strength and elasticity requirements. Also, some quasi-experts have stated that it means that the cigar has two maduro wrappers on it... this is another bit of errant information. Basically, leaves are bulked to be maduros, which typically means they begin the process as higher-primed and thicker leaves. They require the additional duration and increased fermentation temps in order to make the leaves smokeable. The result is a darker colored leaf. However, due to the natural differences between the leaves, some become darker than others in the process of naturally fermenting them. They are then sorted into maduro and double maduro based on color. Now sometimes you can tell that certain leaves, by their grain and heft, will end up being double maduro wrappers, so as they are bulking the pylons, they try to stack these in differing burros. But until the process is complete, you can not be certain as to the final color. In short, double maduro is JUST a reference to color; not maduro binders and not double maduro wrappers, as I have also heard stated." ¶
 
Very interesting Mac. But now you confused me about CAO MX2's. Exactly what do those consist of?
 
I believe the outer wrapper of the CAO MX2 is a well-fermented Connecticut Broadleaf Maduro, while the second wrapper, which is used as a binder is a slightly spicy Brazilian maduro. Hence..Maduro times two! 8)
 
Speaking to the double Maduros: I have a box of Punch Rothschild MM and burn them for two reasons: tastes great and are inexpensive.

Like most of Villazon's maduro cigars, the Punch Roth MM's filler and binder earthy, spicy flavors that come from quality Honduran tobaccos. I think An extra dimension is added by the sweetness of the wrapper, a bonus not found in the natural (lighter) versions of this cigar. "Maduro" means mature and Villazon ages their wrapper leaf in the traditional Cuban way; not "cooking" the tobacco to get the dark color associated with maduro cigars. .

If you're new to cigars, the appearance of these dark, fat, stubby little sticks in the big, unfancy box may put you off. If your preference in cigars is evolving to more full bodied brands, check them out. These cigars go for around $3.00 a stick (plus taxes).

cian
 
Cian:
A+++++.
It's taste vs dollars. Amen.
The rest is marketing and bull shit.
Cian understands. Follow his leadership- I do.
Malone
 
I'll add a third to Cian's post! I haven't had one in quite sometime, but remeber the Punch MM as a fine smoke, especially when I was unable to afford many of the sticks I smoke regularly now. Indeed a good price to taste value, and a good daily smoker in my opinion!

Thanks Mac for a very informative post, keep them coming!

Paul
 
cian

absolutely right on the punch mm it is in my opinion on if if not the best mm on the market.