Federal Law Re Tobacco Products By Mail

Thats BS!! :twisted:
That's what we need more taxes. Criminalizing legal substances. We need a new tea party.

http://www.wefightforyourrights.com/

HR2824 prohibits cigarettes and smokeless tobacco and has no mention of cigars. Its still BS brothers of the leaf should stick together

http://www.ne-smokeout.com/HR2824.htm

A buddy of mine back east said it best..."it's only against the law if you get caught." Personally when I drop stuff off at the PO, I never mention cigars...with my luck, I'd get the clerk from hell :ehsmile:

Does this mean that passage of this law would stop internet sales of cigars??

This could really suck, especially for the troops. I know when I was in Iraq, I depended on those packages sent from home with my Marlboro Menthol lights and cigars to get me through. I sent the link from Zigarreucher to my friends still over there so they can email the senators also

From what I understand - Lew Rothman (JR Cigars) spearheaded
a movement to have cigars removed from this bill.

I do believe he was succesful in doing so.

I will look for more info on this!

Hey Everyone,

Great post and thanks for staying ontop of the news concerning mail order tobacco. This particular bill bans cigarettes only and the only other legislation on the table right now addresses deliveries with the postal service exclusively. Right now legislators are targeting people illegally shipping cigarettes between states and into the country and bypassing the federal Jenkins Act. Many companies including Cigar.com have been fighting hard for your right to recieve your cigars through the mail.

This is a great chance to stress to everyone out there how important the Cigar Association of America (CAA) is in protecting these rights. They are fighting a noble battle with legislators to keep cigars out of many of the bills aimed at cigarettes. It is a very worthwhile cause and it needs your support. Several mail order companies contribute heavily to this association as do many suppliers. I will provide a list of these manufacturers in the near future. I call on as many of you as possible to give your business only to the manufacturers, cigar makers, and retialers that support this organization. Without the CAA the cigars we all enjoy would be twice as expensive and a lot harder to buy.

Alex Svenson said:

I will provide a list of these manufacturers in the near future. I call on as many of you as possible to give your business only to the manufacturers, cigar makers, and retialers that support this organization. Without the CAA the cigars we all enjoy would be twice as expensive and a lot harder to buy.

Click to expand...

Cool, make it public Alex.

as an X coffin nail smoker...I have nothing good to say about cigarettes.
BUT!
I like intrusive government, taxes...and bottom feeding politicians even less...

vote from the roof tops!

sorry im confused, so here are some questions....

Would it be illegal to just ship cigars to a friend? Or just to sell it and then ship it? If they made it illegal to ship cigars then how would even your local shop get anything, since their product has to be shipped to them somehow (i have seen them get a lot from ups).

Alex did a great job with this. This is in respects to all the new(er) websites selling cigarettes on the internet from out of the country, or out of your state, saving the sales tax and the Jenkins tax for tabacco products. This is a huge deal for the tobacco industry here in the states! For our little hobby, nothing would be changed for us, this really is targeted after the cigarette industry, though cigars were on this bill at first, the cigar community rallied and had cigars stricken from the bill not that long ago. I can understand why the government is in an uproar about this, it bites into their bottom line of the astronomical taxes they charge on a pack or cigarettes, so, I guess you have to do something at that point. Sucks if you are a smoker of the 'rettes though!! :shock:

i think the money taken in my cigars is almost nothing compared to the money taken by cigarettes.

jihiggs said:

i think the money taken in my cigars is almost nothing compared to the money taken by cigarettes.

Click to expand...

Yeah, cigarettes are a cash machine. First, most people that smoke cigarettes smoke a lot more a day than the people that smoke cigars. Second, most people can just stop smoking cigars because of the low nicotine level but cigarettes are so addictive that people that can barely afford food still buy their pack a day. Three, most cigarettes sold in the U.S. are made in the U.S. while most cigars are imported.

[quote="Calibus First, most people that smoke cigarettes smoke a lot more a day than the people that smoke cigars. Second, most people can just stop smoking cigars because of the low nicotine level but cigarettes are so addictive quote]

Speak for yourself. *twitch* I tried to tell myself that right before I traded my *twitch* Fender Strat to Axe for a *twitch* couple Opus and Anejo's......*twitch*

the reason cigars arent very addictive isnt the levels of nicotine, its the delivery method. with cigarettes the idea is to inhale. this is the best thing next to injections to get chemicals to the blood stream. you take a hit and you feel the effects almost instantly, same with weed. with a cigar it takes at least several min. to feel the effects. its the association of taking a drag and feeling good that contributes to the addictiveness of drugs. sure there is chemical addiction but the instant gratification is what makes the mind make the association that much faster.
there was a device that was made to airesol (spelling?) alcohol so you could inhale it, last i heard they were going to try to make that delivery of alcohol illeagle cause of the addictive possibilities.

Yes, don't anyone fool themselves about a cigar's content of nicotine. It's about the weight of a Boss Hippo. But as jhiggs said, you don't inhale cigars. Cigars, as has been said on another discussion a few pages back, only increase your chances of certain cancers by a small percentage, and you'd have to smoke two or three Churchill sized cigars a day to be in that increased risk group.

Jhiggs hit the nail on the head as far as what cigarettes are, and I think that too has been touched on in other threads. They are an abomination, and not a true tobacco product. They are a concoction of grade C- tobacco, combined with a couple hundred chemicals per cigarette out of a menu of a few thousand. They were created to produce a steady cash flow and lifetime employment for certain people, right down to the mail clerks in these tobacco companies. It is of course, the execs at the top who manufactured the industry and the companies who employ all the people.

"Big tobacco," a group which reputable cigar manufacturers are NOT part of, are indeed a bunch of money grabbing mofos. It is unfortunate that cigar smokers, the people who grow cigar tobacco, the manufacturers and everyone who works for THOSE companies even have to be included in this universally applied bad rap. I applaud all those fighting for us, and if Mr. Svenson will give us a place where we can send contributions to the people fighting the good fight, I'll get a small check out to them right away, and urge everyone else to do so.

It wouldn't hurt to drop $25 every once in a while on an advocacy group that might help keep those sticks coming straight to our doorsteps. I'll put that group on my list of charities that I send one or two small checks to every year.

The country's dead and almost buried, you can't send a bottle of booze to a friend through the mail anymore, if the government wants your house to put up a McDonal'ds or Dunkin' Donuts, they can just take it and give you 37 cents for it, and soon we might have to steal tobacco out of the fields in Connecticut and roll our own, shivering at night in the woods with state troopers looking for "tobaccy poachers."