OK, I've Taken The Plunge

Joined Aug 2004
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Florida West Coast
OK, I've moved into the world of "speciality coffee" after a lifetime of Maxwell House and Folger's.

I've sampled freshly ground Kona, a Jamaican Blue Mountain "blend," and Columbian Supremo decafe.

The Kona seemed a little thin, even when I used more coffee than recommended.

The Jamaican Blue Mountain was disappointing, but I suspect that is because of the paucity of genuine Blue Mountain beans in the "blend."

I'm enjoying the Columbian Supremo decafe as an evening drink. It gives me a good full mouth feeling.

I'm planning to experiment a lot more. I've already found that the freshly ground beans produce better coffee than the "vacuum packed" coffee I've used for years.

I have a question. For most of my life I haven't used milk or cream in my coffee, but I have used artificial sweetner. I really need to avoid sugar.

Is there a particular artificial sweetner that has been found to be better than others for sweetening the coffee without compromising the taste of the coffee? For now I've been using Sweet N Low.

Living in Tampa, I DO drink "cuban coffee" with cream, which they call half and half, so I'm thinking I might try some cream with some of these speciality coffees. Any recommendations?

Oh yes. For now I'm still using the "Mr. Coffee" type of electric drip infusion. I may experiment with others later. One person I talked to recommended grinding the coffee one step finer than the "drip" position on the grinder. (Each level of grind has two settings; each one progressively finer than the one before.)
 
Well, although genuine Hawaiian Kona can be somewhat muted in flavor compared to some others like Sumatran Mandheling or Colombian Supremo, I question where the beans came from if you got them from the same place as the Jamaican Blue Mountain blend. The reason I say that is because most reputable establishments do not sell "Jamaican Blue Mountain blends." I've seen them around and what's the point of putting a few beans from $40 a pound coffee into some cheap Central American coffee? What are they really giving you but the razz?

As for grinding, I would not suggest grinding finer than the correct grind for your equipment. Always use the correct grind pertaining to your equipment. If you are using a Freedom Press, drip, percolator, espresso maker, whatever, use the correct grind.

As for decaf, you didn't say if the others were decaf, so I assume they weren't, but if you don't have to for medical reasons, then avoid decaf. It's not real coffee, seriously, and don't let anyone tell you that Colombian decaf tastes just like the regular bean. It's like aging all the nicotine out of a cigar. It will be extremely mild and UNflavorful. While one doesn't want too much nicotine in their diet, the flavor is in the cigar largely because of the presence of some nicotine content.

As for artificial sweeteners, don't buy the bullcrap from the nutrition police and medical industry. Get yourself some UNheated, UNfiltered honey, and use a wee, and I mean weeeeee, touch, in each mug, just to take any bitterness out. You don't really want to sweeten your coffee, you just want to take out any unpleasant sharpness or bitterness.

Welcome to the wonderful word of real coffee, which I joined about this time in '91, after years of living as you once did. Keep us posted, and check around for reputable roasters. Read my review of the two Kaldi's coffees I sampled, which can be purchased on this web site. The reviews are on The Amback Journal. I also buy beans from Green Mountain and Oren's.

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Questions Abound!

Thanks for the response.

Only the Colombian Supremo is decaf. I am pretty much confined to decaf in the evening because I have a tendency to stay up late and it would be aggravated by "real" coffee.

For a good portion of my life I have been a night owl and I'm trying to be more "normal." (There's a saying in my profession: "Real Cops Work Nights!")

If I were to use honey, I may as well use sugar. For diabetics they are chemically the same.

I am getting my coffee at a grocery called The Fresh Market, which does specialize in "upscale" foods; expensive cuts of beef, fine wines, cheeses and that sort of thing.

They have a wide variety of flavored coffees, which I haven't tried, and some of the "better names" like Kenyan AA, the Ethopian one that I haven't learned to spell yet that begins something like Gry...., and the Jamaican Blue Mountain Blend. These are all beans in bins which you grind yourself.

They also have pre-packaged one pound bags of beans under the brand name of Peet, which I believe is supposed to be good.

A local chain (Publix) has a variety of Brothers brand coffee beans, but other than Colombian Supremo none of names are anything I've been reading in books.

MY NEW PROBLEM is that I tested my coffee maker tonight and discovered it is delivering 165 degree water to the coffee. I have read that it needs to be 195 degrees. I don't think the maker is adjustable in any way.

Is there a brand of coffee maker that is pretty well guaranteed to deliver 195 degree water?

This is getting quite interesting.

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Oops, sorry!!! Having diabetes on both sides of my family and among friends, I apologize. Yes, honey is the same as sugar for you guys, and so on the artificial sweetener thing, I can't help you.

One sure fire way to deliver 195 degree water to your grounds is to use a Freedom Press. Of the three conventional methods of coffee making, drip, percolator and Freedom Press, it is the most adept method at extracting flavor out of the bean. Quite simple, boil water and let it stand for a minute to a minute and a half, at which time 212 degrees will have come down to 195.

Peet's is a very well reputed name, but it sounds to me like any place that has beans in bins where you help yourself is not doling out the freshest coffee in the land. Look around for where you can get Peet's fresher, like shipped directly to you.

As for Kenya AA and Ethiopian Yrgacheffe, two of my all time favorites. Working on a pound of the Yrgacheffe now.

Heading out the door for work soon. Depending on the work flow, I may not be back on until tomorrow. If I don't see you, have a great night.
 
Just a few suggestions.

For a grinder, get a burr grinder instead of one that uses blades. It will make a really big difference in the uniformity in size of the final grind and also not heat up the coffee as much during grinding.

Coffee, like most everything else is a matter of personal taste. The best coffee in the world is the one that tastes best to you. Don't let the coffee-nazis tell you what's best. Try the different styles and pick the ones that YOU like.

The amount of coffee you use will also vary depending on personal tastes. Experiment and see what works best for you.

Before moving into the different varietals, try the different roasts to become familar with just what difference processing makes before worrying about specific beans.

Of all the coffee makers out there, the Mr. Coffee line will produce the most bland flavoring. One of the cone brewers will increase flavor and you can find them about the same price as the Mr. Coffee. You don't have to spend a fortune. Use the money saved to get better filters. I prefer unbleached filters over the bleached ones.

But the biggest cause of lower temperatures is buildup in the maker, regardless of the brand. Buy a gallon of cheap vinegar and run a couple pots full through your existing machine before investing in a new maker. Pour a pot of vinegar in, let it heat until it just starts to drip, then turn the pot off. Let it sit for about ten minutes or so, then turn it back on. If the maker has not been cleaned in a while, repeat. Then run four or five pots of water through.

Using distilled water will usually give you better coffee then using tap. I buy bulk filtered or distilled water (gallon size) and use that for my coffee. I like to start with cold water.

Finally, avoid blends like the plague. Blends can be as little as 5% of the named varietal and the balance damn near anything. Many fillers can actually mask what little characteristic taste you'd get from the varietal.
 
That's excellent Jar, all the way through. As for my own water, I use filtered tap water, from the Brita pitchers, and that's not only for coffee, but rice, pasta, anything. Very good to bring up the points of using the best water because that's one of the most basic factors, making sure you use good water.
 
Thanks

Thanks for the responses. You've given me a lot of "homework" to do.

I cleaned the "coffee" side of the coffee maker, but didn't do the vinegar cleaning of the "water" side. I'm sure that there is calcium buildup on the coffee side. I'll do that next.

My coffee maker is not a Mr. Coffee. It is a Farberware 4 cup model that uses a cone filter. I've been using bleached filters.

I wasn't entirely clear about my coffee source. Although most of the coffee is in bins, the Peets beans are in individual one pound bags and the turnover of stock for Peets appears to be rapid.

The water I'm using is tap water which goes through an under-sink cartridge filter. I may also try bottled water after I resolve the issue of cleanliness of the coffee maker.

I've already become more discerning about taste, although I'm sure I still have a long way to go.

At my church we prepare gallons of coffee on Sunday mornings. Last Sunday I was drinking a cup when a friend walked by and asked "How's the coffee?"

My answer was, "Well...... it's free."

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Sounds like you're already doing a lot of things right. Don't worry, whatever the rough edges are, they will disappear in six months. As for the quick turnaround of the Peet's, that's good. Hopefully that's the rule rather than the exception. Fresh roasted coffee should be finished quickly, not sitting around for weeks or months in the store.

Afta youse gets maw nahlige o' dis kawfee ting, den yule be a Con O' Sewer likes us guyz. :?
 
Afta youse gets maw nahlige o' dis kawfee ting, den yule be a Con O' Sewer likes us guyz.

That reminds me of when I was transferred from Tampa to Washington, DC. I shared an office with a former NYC cop. Up until then I didn't realize I had a southern accent.

At least I COULD understand him. It was when the guy from New Jersey showed up that things started to go downhill fast.

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Well, sounds like you're doing everything right so far. When you try a new coffee, stick with it for at least half a pound. That will give you time to try different strengths and additives (sweetner, cream, etc).

One other thing that will help you enjoy your coffee, fill your cup with water and zap it in the microwave, then dump the water out when you pour your coffee. A pre-warmed cup will keep your coffee hot over twice as long.