Ok, now, I just got back from two weeks at sea. I figured, hey, let's see whats happenin at cigar.com. So I go to the page, and I see on the home page that Macanudo is #2 in the "Top Cigars" list. Has hell frozen over? Was there some sort of 6th dimensional shift? Has the world gone mad???? Or is this the second coming of the Great Cigar Boom? :shock:
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Lost in translation
I try not to pay attention to those things. :hearseespeak:
There are people than just us idiots that buy cigars from cigar.com. You know, people who have no taste.
There are people than just us idiots that buy cigars from cigar.com. You know, people who have no taste.
I think there was a thread a while ago regarding the same thing. Thor or Alex I think said that list doesn't have much truth to it as it goes by some other factor. But then again, wasn't Bikeman all big on Macagrounduppoodles...
Don't take this out of context(it is not meant as an attack), but what ever happened to "to each his own"? All this Macanudo bias reminds me of High School and how some kids felt if they didn't wear the right clothes or listen to the right music. Just something to think about.
Its the same as listening to Milli Vanilli. They aren't real, neither are Macanudoos. Macs are sell outs from the cigar boom-yuppie days. Just my .02. But why smoke a Mac that has no FLAVOR for 5 bucks, when there are others that have MORE flavor (still mild) and cost less? Something to ponder.
Why drink Bourbon or Rye Whiskey when you can drink Single Malt Scotch Whisky? It's a matter of personal preference. IMHO.
Muerte said:
Comparing Bourbon to Rye to Scotch is like comparing cigarettes to pipes to cigars. Its all tobacco.
Although I did mention flavor, I was comparing company to company. But like you said, to each his own, and if you like them, by all means, smoke them!!!
Macanudos weren't created for the hard core cigar smoker. They were created for yuppies who wanted to get in on a fad, which eventually died after they got tired and went on to other toys. That's not speculation, just a fact. Hard core cigar smokers, people who smoke them truly for enjoyment, meditation, and FLAVOR do not smoke Macs. I see nothing wrong with the silly harmless satire that we pull off around here.
None of our satire is ever meant deliberately to offend anyone, and we always make it clear that the anti-Mac thing is against the product and the mindset that developed it, not the people who like them. If there are true, hard core cigar smokers out there who REALLY like smoking Macanudos, by all means, to each his/her own. Other than that, we're just having some harmless fun. We are also pointing out and poking some fun at the mindsets that create fads and lure people in with products designed to make money with little or no attention paid to whether or not the fad or product behind it is really upheld by philosophical substance.
It is truly a falsehood to say that there is a philosophical substance behind the creation of the Macanudo, and other flavorless cigars. Well, okay, the philosophical substance is really there, and it is . . .
let's create a product that people can show off with, but won't floor them after five puffs. They'll think they're real cigar smokers, and we'll make money. When they get bored, they'll leave and we'll go back to putting some real thought and effort behind our tobacco blends.
We reserve the right to have our fun around here. Of course, if anyone is truly offended by something, by all means, speak up. In that case, it behooves any one or all of us to be prepared to formulate a cogent response to the offense, so that we can keep the camaraderie in the house.
Oh, and yes, in response to the original question posted by the thread starter, . . .
YES, if ANY Macanudo, other than the Vintage 1984 or 1988's EVER made it a prominent position on ANYONE'S list, then I totally agree, . . .
the whole world is . . .
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None of our satire is ever meant deliberately to offend anyone, and we always make it clear that the anti-Mac thing is against the product and the mindset that developed it, not the people who like them. If there are true, hard core cigar smokers out there who REALLY like smoking Macanudos, by all means, to each his/her own. Other than that, we're just having some harmless fun. We are also pointing out and poking some fun at the mindsets that create fads and lure people in with products designed to make money with little or no attention paid to whether or not the fad or product behind it is really upheld by philosophical substance.
It is truly a falsehood to say that there is a philosophical substance behind the creation of the Macanudo, and other flavorless cigars. Well, okay, the philosophical substance is really there, and it is . . .
let's create a product that people can show off with, but won't floor them after five puffs. They'll think they're real cigar smokers, and we'll make money. When they get bored, they'll leave and we'll go back to putting some real thought and effort behind our tobacco blends.
We reserve the right to have our fun around here. Of course, if anyone is truly offended by something, by all means, speak up. In that case, it behooves any one or all of us to be prepared to formulate a cogent response to the offense, so that we can keep the camaraderie in the house.
Oh, and yes, in response to the original question posted by the thread starter, . . .
YES, if ANY Macanudo, other than the Vintage 1984 or 1988's EVER made it a prominent position on ANYONE'S list, then I totally agree, . . .
the whole world is . . .
:flush: :flush: :flush:
:rotflmao: :cryinlaugh: :cryinlaugh: :cryinlaugh: :rotflmao: :cryinlaugh: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :sm_angel: :bolt:
Capt said:
I am curious if anyone knows how many of the species of tobacco are used in making smokable products?? And are specific species used exclusive to Cigars or Cigarettes?? Just curious
That's a HUGE topic, and one that I personally, despite having a lot of tobacco related information in my head, could not possibly articulate on. Around here, people like CC, Mr. Svenson, cigarsmoka, and a few others would certainly be able to expound on the subject, far better than I. I've been on cigar related web sites for about six years, and a cigar smoker for about nine and a half. Back when I was in my infancy in the hobby/culture, I did a lot of internet searches using keywords like cigars, tobacco, cigar tobacco, cigar manufacturing, tobacco growing, etc.
The amount of information on the internet about the history of cigars, dating back to pre-Columbian times is vast, and quite interesting. Until others chime in with their own know-how, a few searches might help. It's been a long time since I did that myself. Once I did my internet searches which wound up teaching me the basics, I went on to other aspects of my interest.
Muerte's question brings to rise an interesting point, which I have contemplated lately. That namely is, I have noticed I am a bit out of the loop when it comes to what brands are out there, and what kind of tobaccos are being used. Since I learned my most basic knowledge about history and current brands, etc., much has changed. The development of new tobaccos, especially wrappers, along with the experimentation around the world by various regions, has exploded. It would be interesting to refresh my own knowledge.
The amount of information on the internet about the history of cigars, dating back to pre-Columbian times is vast, and quite interesting. Until others chime in with their own know-how, a few searches might help. It's been a long time since I did that myself. Once I did my internet searches which wound up teaching me the basics, I went on to other aspects of my interest.
Muerte's question brings to rise an interesting point, which I have contemplated lately. That namely is, I have noticed I am a bit out of the loop when it comes to what brands are out there, and what kind of tobaccos are being used. Since I learned my most basic knowledge about history and current brands, etc., much has changed. The development of new tobaccos, especially wrappers, along with the experimentation around the world by various regions, has exploded. It would be interesting to refresh my own knowledge.
Thanks Bloof, I didn't know if smoking tobacco was like coffee, meaning that most beans used for consumption are the Arabica( correct me if i'm wrong here) bean. And different tastes depend on where and how the plant is grown and how the bean is roasted. I guess theoretically Cigar tobacco could be just one of the species of tobacco. I didn't realize there were at least 20 species of the plant.
Yes indeed, Arabic beans precisely, as opposed to Robusta beans, which are used for more common, or what I refer to as supermarket coffee.
And besides the different species of tobacco, don't forget there are three types of leaf on EACH plant, Seco, Volado, and Ligero. They come from a different part of the plant, have different biochemical properties, and different uses, i.e. filler, binder and wrapper. And when it comes to tobacco, you have region, soil, climate, so many factors determinant in the final outcome of a certain cigars strength, flavor and smoking properties, meaning slow burn, fast burn, etc.
An incredible hobby/passion/art form, whatever one wishes to call it, the world of cigars is indeed a fascinating culture in its own right. One thing I'd love to see before I die is cigars separated from the mass anti-smoking, anti-tobacco hysteria that has spread throughout the country.
And besides the different species of tobacco, don't forget there are three types of leaf on EACH plant, Seco, Volado, and Ligero. They come from a different part of the plant, have different biochemical properties, and different uses, i.e. filler, binder and wrapper. And when it comes to tobacco, you have region, soil, climate, so many factors determinant in the final outcome of a certain cigars strength, flavor and smoking properties, meaning slow burn, fast burn, etc.
An incredible hobby/passion/art form, whatever one wishes to call it, the world of cigars is indeed a fascinating culture in its own right. One thing I'd love to see before I die is cigars separated from the mass anti-smoking, anti-tobacco hysteria that has spread throughout the country.
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Central Canada, eh?
Amen to that Bloof - you hit it right on the nail with that.
That said, I too must say that no offence was ever intended in any of the posts about that particular cigar. I mean with all the absolutely excellent cigars out there, a person does not have to settle for second best in any price range.
I too am a relative new comer to this wonderfull hobby. When I first started and walked into a B&M, I had extreme sticker shock. $25.00 for a Montecristo #4 (in Canada that is)? I mean really. And then I learned not all cigars are created equal, and that #4 has a lot of history, toil and sweat behind it.
I have also since learned that you can get a very reasonable smoke for just under 5 bucks if you want, and that is just fine with me. Leave the yuppies to their show piece, I will have a real cigar thank you!
That said, I too must say that no offence was ever intended in any of the posts about that particular cigar. I mean with all the absolutely excellent cigars out there, a person does not have to settle for second best in any price range.
I too am a relative new comer to this wonderfull hobby. When I first started and walked into a B&M, I had extreme sticker shock. $25.00 for a Montecristo #4 (in Canada that is)? I mean really. And then I learned not all cigars are created equal, and that #4 has a lot of history, toil and sweat behind it.
I have also since learned that you can get a very reasonable smoke for just under 5 bucks if you want, and that is just fine with me. Leave the yuppies to their show piece, I will have a real cigar thank you!
Bikeman said:
You said it man. I don't mind at all that people continually opt for a Macanudo, it just means more premium smokes to be had by us :wink:
Muerte said:
Yes there are different plants (all tobacco) used for Cigarettes & cigars
Cigars tobacco is by far the beter quality -
Cigarette tobacco is most often treated to change the flavor.
I'm still unclear on Pipe tobaccos?
I know the treat it yet differently they the other.
WIth cigars there are many types (or strains) of tobacco plants.
Some sun grown some shade grown.
Plants grown for wrapper leaf & so on.