To me that's both good and bad news. . . The good news I supose is that if you were a commonwealth fan, you might still be able to get a hold of the same whiskey in a different package.
The bad news (for me personally speaking) is this is the subject of yet another example of a whiskey tied to this same distribution point that is now defunct. This topic goes right back to something I've been twisting Bloofington's arm about for the last 3 years (my how time flies doesn't it)... But anyway how many times have I barked at you about if you like anything that was put out under the guidance of Van Winkle you better buy as much of it as you can RIGHT now (in fact yesterday is more like it) because it's all drying up.
Which brings me to my main point. In the old days WL Weller bought whiskey - producing none themseleves. Weller was said to become very selective (a good thing) which limited what they were willing to purchase thus limiting amounts of what was yielded to bottle. Julian 1 started out with WL Weller back then...
Then they got a distillery and renamed it - the now sold but famous old Stitzel-Weller distillery. That's when they stopped buying whiskey and exclusively started making their own Wheated recipe bourbon.
I guess I'll trim 3 or 4 paragraphs off and get to the point... Julian III doesn't appear to have made much if any whiskey in quite some time. Until he got with Buffalo Trace a few years back what's been bottled and sold has not been replaced - at least not through his craftsmanship. Hence the whiskey is way behind. Thus brands or certain ages have been killed to try and keep something on the market.
Take for example WL Weller Antique 19... That likely COULD still be around except Pappy Van Winkle 20 which earns close to twice the take - could not co-exist, so the Antique bit the dust.
It sounds like maybe Julian converted O/C to wheat when the distillery was purchased(?) Or was it always a wheated bourbon? My belief was that it was originally a Rye recipe product (but again just my belief nothing concrete either way).
Then you also look at the Van Winkle FR Rye 13... That too is supposedly whiskey purchased by Julian (from???). And where I'm going with all this is - somebody else has been making some good whiskey that some folks are putting their names on. Nothing new there and certainly no crime but I'd like to know where these things come from originally and what changes to look for etc. It's not nice to start selling Mrs. Butterworth under the guise of fresh squeezed Vermont maple if ya know what I mean...
And also Bloofington in light of the above(s), do you still care to argue that Bourbon is EXTREMELY CONSISTENT? Was OC always that similar in taste to ORVW? Not likely (in my opinion at least) and if that is the case, at some point one of them had to become inconsistent to their previous audience...
This sounds like the same ole' conversation we've been having over the last 3 + years. BTW, the thought that should be tossed back at Julian, since he is willing to admit that OCW 10 107 is / was the same as ORVW 10 107... I bet I know which one retailed higher based on which one went bye bye :!:
Same old soup - simply re-heated :!:
End of rant :lol:
The bad news (for me personally speaking) is this is the subject of yet another example of a whiskey tied to this same distribution point that is now defunct. This topic goes right back to something I've been twisting Bloofington's arm about for the last 3 years (my how time flies doesn't it)... But anyway how many times have I barked at you about if you like anything that was put out under the guidance of Van Winkle you better buy as much of it as you can RIGHT now (in fact yesterday is more like it) because it's all drying up.
Which brings me to my main point. In the old days WL Weller bought whiskey - producing none themseleves. Weller was said to become very selective (a good thing) which limited what they were willing to purchase thus limiting amounts of what was yielded to bottle. Julian 1 started out with WL Weller back then...
Then they got a distillery and renamed it - the now sold but famous old Stitzel-Weller distillery. That's when they stopped buying whiskey and exclusively started making their own Wheated recipe bourbon.
I guess I'll trim 3 or 4 paragraphs off and get to the point... Julian III doesn't appear to have made much if any whiskey in quite some time. Until he got with Buffalo Trace a few years back what's been bottled and sold has not been replaced - at least not through his craftsmanship. Hence the whiskey is way behind. Thus brands or certain ages have been killed to try and keep something on the market.
Take for example WL Weller Antique 19... That likely COULD still be around except Pappy Van Winkle 20 which earns close to twice the take - could not co-exist, so the Antique bit the dust.
It sounds like maybe Julian converted O/C to wheat when the distillery was purchased(?) Or was it always a wheated bourbon? My belief was that it was originally a Rye recipe product (but again just my belief nothing concrete either way).
Then you also look at the Van Winkle FR Rye 13... That too is supposedly whiskey purchased by Julian (from???). And where I'm going with all this is - somebody else has been making some good whiskey that some folks are putting their names on. Nothing new there and certainly no crime but I'd like to know where these things come from originally and what changes to look for etc. It's not nice to start selling Mrs. Butterworth under the guise of fresh squeezed Vermont maple if ya know what I mean...
And also Bloofington in light of the above(s), do you still care to argue that Bourbon is EXTREMELY CONSISTENT? Was OC always that similar in taste to ORVW? Not likely (in my opinion at least) and if that is the case, at some point one of them had to become inconsistent to their previous audience...
This sounds like the same ole' conversation we've been having over the last 3 + years. BTW, the thought that should be tossed back at Julian, since he is willing to admit that OCW 10 107 is / was the same as ORVW 10 107... I bet I know which one retailed higher based on which one went bye bye :!:
Same old soup - simply re-heated :!:
End of rant :lol:
