Ran across news about this site and company that claims to be producing smokes from seeds of a pre-revolutionary southern island . First, dont mean to violate forum policy . THey are made in Costa Rico I think, and wondering if anybody had ever tried any of them. Saw article in top25 cigar site.
dinoa2 said:
A lot of tobacco used today is "Cuban-seed". Meaning, when the families were removed from their farms, they took a small stash of their seeds with them.
Is seed that comes from plants grown with "cuban-seed" still considered "cuban-seed"? if that makes sense
It's just like asking if my father is polish because my grand-father is polish. Eventually the cuban seed tobacco changes to best grow in the area it is planted. Over time it will develop a unique flavor but it is still cuban seed tobacco generation to generation.
It is Cuban seed but it is not grown in Cuba so it does not violate any US laws. if that is what you mean
thanks motion
barco, i guess what i was really wondering was, are the favorable attributes that make tobacco from cuban seed so special, still present and achievable from seed that came from tobacco grown from "original" cuban seed that was, say, grown in d.r.
motion pretty much made sense out of it, but technically wouldnt it now be d.r. seed?
barco, i guess what i was really wondering was, are the favorable attributes that make tobacco from cuban seed so special, still present and achievable from seed that came from tobacco grown from "original" cuban seed that was, say, grown in d.r.
motion pretty much made sense out of it, but technically wouldnt it now be d.r. seed?
It has been generations since the original seeds were planted in the DR, Honduras, etc. IMHO, they have "grown the Cuban out of the Cuban seed". Meaning, there isnt any Cuban heritage in the Cuban seed. This is my opinion only.
A cuban seed is not the same planted anywhere outside of cuba. Cuba's soil, habitat, etc all influence the cuban tobacco flavor.
I know what everybody is saying, seeds dont necessarily make all the difference, other conditions such as soil and growing factors add in plus the effect of using seeds from seeds.
Just saw this site today and a few ratings of the cigars from other web sites. They have a sampler at about 4 potatoes per unit so I might give them a try. The whole mystique of these is interestng but only those who have experience pre1960 can compare that product with the "real" ones of today.
Just saw this site today and a few ratings of the cigars from other web sites. They have a sampler at about 4 potatoes per unit so I might give them a try. The whole mystique of these is interestng but only those who have experience pre1960 can compare that product with the "real" ones of today.
dinoa2 said:
This is Just my opinion but there is going to be NO comparison. There are to many factors that go into making a Cuban cigar what it is. No matter were the "seed" is from it is the soil and the enviorment that gives the cigar its personality.
I think that you should try it but understand that it is not a Cuban cigar, But it might be a verry good cigar and that is all that is important. who cares were it came from as long as you enjoy it.
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Central Canada, eh?
I was jsut reading about this in the CA cigar book. They say in there that the seed remains pure from one generation to another, so the plant stays the same.
Changes might into affect from different soil etc. affecting the plant, but in effect they are genetically the same plants from long ago when the seeds were first brought to the US. At least that is my understanding of it.
Changes might into affect from different soil etc. affecting the plant, but in effect they are genetically the same plants from long ago when the seeds were first brought to the US. At least that is my understanding of it.
well I'm going to be the guinea pig and try these. I have no expectations they will be the real thing or close to Cubans but the web site and reviews have my curiousity and if they are good I will know and if not, I have bought other cigars I wound up not liking. Will let you know after they arrive.
Tobacco seeds are so small, many manufacturers may still be using first generation seeds. They are really tiny seeds. A large bag could seed a long time.
Seeds are important, but if you want to get technical about the "ooh and ahh" of Cuban seed tobacco. Even the famous "Cuban Corojo" seeds are not really of Cuban origin. I read that 1920-30's the seeds were imported. They were from Sumatra and Cuba adopted them as their own. So it's marketing as much as anything to claim origin of a seed.
The tobacco will get some of it's personality from the local water and soil. Thats a huge part, and then you get the personal touch from the manufacturer in the way they age and ferment the tobacco. Thats as big of a difference as anything in the final product.
To the original post...Habano Seed tobacco is not uncommon and not illegal.
Seeds are important, but if you want to get technical about the "ooh and ahh" of Cuban seed tobacco. Even the famous "Cuban Corojo" seeds are not really of Cuban origin. I read that 1920-30's the seeds were imported. They were from Sumatra and Cuba adopted them as their own. So it's marketing as much as anything to claim origin of a seed.
The tobacco will get some of it's personality from the local water and soil. Thats a huge part, and then you get the personal touch from the manufacturer in the way they age and ferment the tobacco. Thats as big of a difference as anything in the final product.
To the original post...Habano Seed tobacco is not uncommon and not illegal.
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that is one of the names of this company smokes. I know everyone has been waiting for a report on these since I brought them up about 3 weeks ago. :lol: Anyway Costa Rica is a long way off but they have finally arrived at my p o box and maybe by next Friday I will light one up.
that is one of the names of this company smokes. I know everyone has been waiting for a report on these since I brought them up about 3 weeks ago. :lol: Anyway Costa Rica is a long way off but they have finally arrived at my p o box and maybe by next Friday I will light one up.
It is amazing how every person in the cigar Biz - talks about
there cigars tasting like Cubans or being from Cuban seeds -
& on & on.
Then if your smoking a Cuban cigar tehy start with saying how the Quality of Cuban cigars isn't what it used to be - or they secretly import from othe rplacees & on and on!
Truth is Cuban Tobacco is special because of where it is grown.
I don't know why - climate, soil, water, curing, blends & on.
Find what you like & smoke it!
there cigars tasting like Cubans or being from Cuban seeds -
& on & on.
Then if your smoking a Cuban cigar tehy start with saying how the Quality of Cuban cigars isn't what it used to be - or they secretly import from othe rplacees & on and on!
Truth is Cuban Tobacco is special because of where it is grown.
I don't know why - climate, soil, water, curing, blends & on.
Find what you like & smoke it!
I agree!!
I like tons of stuff.....
Cuban tobacco just happens to be one of the flavor profiles I like the best...
There are a ton of others too...
I like tons of stuff.....
Cuban tobacco just happens to be one of the flavor profiles I like the best...
There are a ton of others too...
