thanks bloof. i have been trying some cheaper labels, connies, and el ccreditos. connies are as good as most 6.00 cigars, just lit the el credito. and have been reading posts about others. with most name brands, i can purchase locally, and order bundles if i like. cannot due with house brands. at this point, it has become a mission to evaluate most of these, and would like to avoid the bad ones, and dont want to miss the good ones.