wtb: cuban cigars

Thanks guys its nice to read it from the source.

A few years ago I really thought the embargo was going to be lifted but then both governments seemed to crack down again. Thats a different topic though.

Mike
 
I live in Central America and have access to some Cubans.

I moved to Belize about 3 months ago and have been smoking some great Cohibas and Romeo & Juliets. Selection and availability are limited but I'd love to sell provide some boxes here and there. I have friends and family you could contact in the States as references and could maybe use as contacts or brokers to protect both of our interests. My email is [email protected]. My name is Jim.
 
b540glenn said:
Hollow Point said:
I think as a US Citizen you could be prosecuted for purchasing the said cigars in Canada - whether Canada traded directly with the "enemy" for you - or not. How ever the value of making an issue of it seems highly unlikely.
The way it was explained to me was that you can use them in Canada, you just can't bring 'em back over the border.

Truth is an American Citizen - Can "NOT" Legaly buy Cuban products
anywhere at anytime.
Even outside the USA!
Not that anyone has ever been fined for doing it, but no US dollars shall be spent on and Cuban Products!
 
send me an email and i'll reply with my address. as soon as i receive a box full of surprise goodies as jester of good will; we'll talk. :wink:

i love free cuban cigars toshare with others!!!


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I know as a Canadian when we were on a cruise ship that we could not purchase Cuban cigars and bring them into a US port, even if we were flying directly back to Canada. We brought back our Cuban cigars when flying directly between Canada and Cuba.

Accroding to the above link it is illegal for the importation of the cigars, it does not state that you cannot purchase and consume cigars in a third country. And don't think US citizens have not been charged, many people don't realize that the US governement watches the airports in Mexico and Canada looking for Americans travelling to/from Cuba through a third country.
 
Here is the most recent info from the US Department of Treasury regarding Cuban cigars…

CUBAN CIGAR UPDATE

Recent changes to the Cuban Assets Control Regulations, 31 C.F.R. Part 515 (the “Regulations”), administered and enforced by the Office of Foreign Assets Control (“OFAC”), have prompted OFAC to revise the Cuban Cigar Update previously issued on June 19, 1998. This notice provides important information to the public on Cuban-origin tobacco products.

Importation of Cuban-Origin Cigars Into the United States There is now an across the board ban on the importation into the United States of Cuban-origin cigars and other Cuban-origin tobacco products, as well as most other products of Cuban origin. This prohibition extends to such products acquired in Cuba, irrespective of whether a traveler is licensed by OFAC to engage in Cuba travel-related transactions, and to such products acquired in third countries by any U.S. traveler, including purchases at duty free shops. Importation of these Cuban goods is prohibited whether the goods are purchased directly by the importer or given to the importer as a gift. Similarly, the import ban extends to Cuban-origin tobacco products offered for sale over the Internet or through the catalog mail purchases. Prior to August 1, 2004, persons returning to the United States who were licensed under the Regulations to engage in Cuba travel-related transactions were authorized by general license to import up to $100 worth of Cuban merchandise as accompanied baggage. Cuban tobacco and alcohol products were included in that general license. That general license was removed from the Regulations.

Transactions Involving Cuban-Origin Goods in Third Countries

The question is often asked whether United States citizens or permanent resident aliens of the United States may legally purchase Cuban origin goods, including tobacco and alcohol products, in a third country for personal use outside the United States. The answer is no. The Regulations prohibit persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States from purchasing, transporting, importing, or otherwise dealing in or engaging in any transactions with respect to any merchandise outside the United States if such merchandise (1) is of Cuban origin; or (2) is or has been located in or transported from or through Cuba; or (3) is made or derived in whole or in part of any article which is the growth, produce or manufacture of Cuba. Thus,
in the case of cigars, the prohibition extends to cigars manufactured in Cuba and sold in a third country and to cigars manufactured in a third country from tobacco grown in Cuba.

Cigars Produced from Cuban Tobacco Seed

OFAC does not consider cigars produced from tobacco grown and harvested in a third country from Cuban seeds to constitute a growth or product of Cuba. Therefore, the Regulations do not prevent transactions or dealing in those products by persons subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,
as long as there is no interest of Cuba or a Cuban national, direct or indirect, in the sale of such cigars.
Criminal penalties for violation of the Regulations range up to $1,000,000 in fines for corporations, $250,000 for individuals and up to 10 years in prison. Civil penalties of up to $65,000 per violation may be imposed by OFAC. Suspected embargo violations may be reported telephonically to OFAC's Enforcement Division at (202)622-2430 or via facsimile at 202 622-1657.

Date 09/30/2004
Here is what the US Department of Homeland Security says on this subject:

Prohibitions on Cuban Cigars

The revival of interest in cigars and cigar smoking underscores the need to remind the public of the prohibitions that have been in place for many years with respect to cigars of Cuban origin. The number of attempted importations of Cuban cigars into the United States is rising and because dealing in such cigars may lead to Treasury enforcement actions, the public should be aware of — and make every effort to observe — the prohibitions which are in effect.

There is a total ban on the importation into the United States of Cuban-origin cigars and other Cuban-origin tobacco products. This prohibition extends to such products acquired in Cuba, irrespective of whether a traveler is licensed by Office of Foreign Asset Controls (OFAC) to engage in Cuba travel-related transactions, and to such products acquired in third countries by any U.S. Traveler, including purchases at duty-free shops. Contrary to what many people may believe, it is illegal for travelers to bring into the United States Cuban cigars acquired in third countries, such as Canada, England, or Mexico.

Importation of Cuban-origin cigars and other Cuban-origin tobacco products is prohibited whether the goods are purchased by the importer or given to the importer as a gift. Similarly, the import ban extends to Cuban-origin cigars and other Cuban-origin tobacco products offered for sale over the Internet or through a catalog.
It is also illegal for U.S. persons to buy, sell, trade, or otherwise engage in transactions involving illegally-imported Cuban cigars. The penalties for doing so include, in addition to confiscation of the cigars, civil fines of up to $55,000 per violation and in appropriate cases, criminal prosecution which may result in higher fines and/or imprisonment.

These prohibitions are applicable to all goods of Cuban origin and are an important element of the comprehensive program of economic sanctions against the Cuban Government which have been in place since 1963. Those sanctions have had the support of the last seven Administrations.

The U.S. Treasury Department, Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), administers the embargo of Cuba. Suspected embargo violations may be reported telephonically to OFAC Enforcement Division at 202.622.2430 or via facsimile at 202.622.1657.
 
I think FC's post says it all. If you are uncomfortable about not being in compliance with U.S. Agricultural Regulations then by all means do not buy, ship and/or consume Cuban sticks.

The only other thing that comes to mind is the Prohibition Era in the U.S. There are still "dry counties in parts of Ohio and Kentucky". If you want to drink alcohol of any kind, you must purchase it elsewhere and take it to your home. But it is still illegal to transport it across county lines.

On that note I just finished a Romeo y Julieta Cedros de Luxe No. 2. (Cuban). The burn was excellent and drew very smooth and clean. It starts out with a sharp, tangy flavor (like the smell of pine knots on an open campfire), light and peppery, then settles into a sweet and creamy smoke to the end. IMO, a great afternoon Cigar with a glass of Centennial Grand Marnier.
 
In Mexico, Cuba or other turisty place only buy at a LCDH (La Casa Del Habano) or you will be geting 99.99% fakes.
 
Could that be THE Smokemed? The ONE AND ONLY Smokemed??? Hmmmmmmmmmm, . . .

if so, AmBack has landed another true cigar expert, and especially with Cubans. :wink: