Is it the darker the wrapper the stronger the cigar is? if not how can you tell a stronger cigar from mild
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Typically, the darker the wrapper is, the more body the cigar will have. Also, I find that darker wrappers tend to be kinda sweet when it comes to the smoke.
Being still a relative n00b myself, with the exception of maduro wrappers, you prolly cant really tell the body of a cigar just by looking at it...but like I said, imma n00b still.
Knowledge about the different wrappers and tobaccos will be your best friend when trying to determine the body of a cigar..
Being still a relative n00b myself, with the exception of maduro wrappers, you prolly cant really tell the body of a cigar just by looking at it...but like I said, imma n00b still.
Knowledge about the different wrappers and tobaccos will be your best friend when trying to determine the body of a cigar..
that is not always true but is believed to be true.... some companies dye their wrappers.
the best way to tell is to ask, everything differs. a good shop will be able to tell you, and if your buying online you can ask here and will find out.
the best way to tell is to ask, everything differs. a good shop will be able to tell you, and if your buying online you can ask here and will find out.
maduro literally means ripe in spanish. Technically it describes the fermentation process but people also use it now to describe the color of the wrapper. Wrapper color is no indication of strength or body. How the wrapper is grown (ie shade or sun grown), the type of seed, and the country it is grown are the best indicators of what you can expect from a cigar.
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Its very complex. The best thing is to ask around.
Aren't sun growns generally maduro in color though?
Aren't sun growns generally maduro in color though?
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A Maduro wrapper is made by heating the leaf while it is cured.
It cna happen naturally as the center of a tobacco pile gets hotter
than the outer portion.
Many companies heat the tobacco (or cook) to create the dark wrapper. I find the Darker wrapper often add more flavor because a thicker leaf is used.
Cuban cigars have very little maduro wrappers, but in the recent past more have been used than ever before.
They do not cook tobacco (althou there was a rumor)
NC cigars often use the cooked method to make Maduro wrappers.
BUT 90+% of the flavor comes from what is inside the cigar.
The center leaf used inside the cigar is called "Ligero"
That is what adds the strength.
If you see a cigar that is labeled as "Double Ligero" it will be strong!
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It cna happen naturally as the center of a tobacco pile gets hotter
than the outer portion.
Many companies heat the tobacco (or cook) to create the dark wrapper. I find the Darker wrapper often add more flavor because a thicker leaf is used.
Cuban cigars have very little maduro wrappers, but in the recent past more have been used than ever before.
They do not cook tobacco (althou there was a rumor)
NC cigars often use the cooked method to make Maduro wrappers.
BUT 90+% of the flavor comes from what is inside the cigar.
The center leaf used inside the cigar is called "Ligero"
That is what adds the strength.
If you see a cigar that is labeled as "Double Ligero" it will be strong!
CC
I went to a Macanoodles event (Free cigar.) I asked the rep what her thoughts were and she looked at me like I was speaking Japanese. Another fella asked her about ratings and she paused a bit then, said they don't pay attention to things like that. She didn't seem to be having a great time. I told her that at least it was cool that her job sent her to the dominican republic.jihiggs said:thats why macanoodles dont phase any one when they smoke them. they got no ligero!
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When I went to an event where there was a general rep, he told me the company knows that real smokers don't like them but that's not who they make them for. He said that they are made for new smokers and picky palates. That's when one of the guys who overheard said "And pansies." The rep laughed and told him while he couldn't use that term what for his job and all, he understood the feeling. At least he had a sense of humor about it.
The reason that many cigars are maduro and strong is that the manufacturer is using the wrapper to make a strong blend palatable. Put a CT Shade on an Edge and see if it tastes as good as the tailpipe of a 72 Nova. :wink:
Try a mild/medium cigar with a rich maduro wrapper if you want to know what the wrapper actually tastes like. (IMHO Oliva Grand Maduro is the best example of a true maduro that isnt masking a heavy blend (not that its a bad thing, I love heavy blends made smoother by a CT Broadleaf Maduro))
The wrapper is the most direct point for taste. Take any smoke and just change that one leaf. Make it maduro, natural, Cameroon, Sumatra, Corojo, or whatever, and the entire character of the cigar has changed. Cigars are made of many many leaves, so proportionally that single wrapper contributes a very substantial percentage of the overall taste of the cigar. Fuente does some of this with the Opus binder and filler. Maduro Opus, Añejo, and special releases may share many components but the wrappers are distinctly different, and the cigars are completely different. Ask many diehard Diploma smokers how they feel about the Diploma Maduro compared to the regular Corojo wrapper.
A maduro leaf is like turning a grape into a raisin. Some like the crisp sweet grape better, while others like the subtle sweetness of aging the fruit.
Back to the original question...dark cigars being strongest is one big misconception. The color of the leaf is not an indicator of whats inside.
Try a mild/medium cigar with a rich maduro wrapper if you want to know what the wrapper actually tastes like. (IMHO Oliva Grand Maduro is the best example of a true maduro that isnt masking a heavy blend (not that its a bad thing, I love heavy blends made smoother by a CT Broadleaf Maduro))
The wrapper is the most direct point for taste. Take any smoke and just change that one leaf. Make it maduro, natural, Cameroon, Sumatra, Corojo, or whatever, and the entire character of the cigar has changed. Cigars are made of many many leaves, so proportionally that single wrapper contributes a very substantial percentage of the overall taste of the cigar. Fuente does some of this with the Opus binder and filler. Maduro Opus, Añejo, and special releases may share many components but the wrappers are distinctly different, and the cigars are completely different. Ask many diehard Diploma smokers how they feel about the Diploma Maduro compared to the regular Corojo wrapper.
A maduro leaf is like turning a grape into a raisin. Some like the crisp sweet grape better, while others like the subtle sweetness of aging the fruit.
Back to the original question...dark cigars being strongest is one big misconception. The color of the leaf is not an indicator of whats inside.
Bulz said:Ask many diehard Diploma smokers how they feel about the Diploma Maduro compared to the regular Corojo wrapper.
Exactly. I love maduro wrappers on certain cigars but I'll always choose the Corojo Diploma over the maduro any day. Similarly, when it comes to high end Padrons, the maduro 64's and natural 26's are much more enjoyable to me than their counterparts..
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Agreed!
Bulz, that CT (I believe its a CT but light either way) shade wrapper on the Edge is exactly what Rocky Patel did to make the Edge Lite. Its one of my favorites and I'm sure it tastes nothing like the tailpipe of a 72 Nova. In fact I think its very comparable to the Monte Whites. I don't even buy those anymore because they're twice the price of the Edge Lites.
Bulz, that CT (I believe its a CT but light either way) shade wrapper on the Edge is exactly what Rocky Patel did to make the Edge Lite. Its one of my favorites and I'm sure it tastes nothing like the tailpipe of a 72 Nova. In fact I think its very comparable to the Monte Whites. I don't even buy those anymore because they're twice the price of the Edge Lites.
Bulz.. as a die hard diploma smoker I am in agreement, and you comparison to grapes and raisins is dead on.
On a side note, is the Oliva O Maduro or the Grand Maduro, or the Flor de Oliva maduro bundle made with a CT Broadleaf wrapper? Or are they made with a connecticut seed Nicaraguan? I have always wondered. IMHO Oliva has the best maduro wrapper in the world bar none. It is exactly what a maduro is supposed to taste like. Especially the O Maduro. Holly cow what agreat cigar.
On a side note, is the Oliva O Maduro or the Grand Maduro, or the Flor de Oliva maduro bundle made with a CT Broadleaf wrapper? Or are they made with a connecticut seed Nicaraguan? I have always wondered. IMHO Oliva has the best maduro wrapper in the world bar none. It is exactly what a maduro is supposed to taste like. Especially the O Maduro. Holly cow what agreat cigar.
Macallan said:what about the flor de oliva maduro bundle?
Sorry for the delayed reply. The Oliva's are closed for the holidays.
From the most reliable source: The Flor De Oliva Maduro's are also wrapped in a CT Broadleaf Maduro. All of the Oliva maduro's are from CT.
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