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Yeah, definitely. I'm still researching a lot on the different species that I listed earlier and seeing which one would be most appropriate for my current situation.

I think gila monsters fall under the venomous snake category - it's legal to own but highly discouraged unless one has superb experience with them.
 
Yes, but with their venom not being as toxic as a truly dangerous snake's, perhaps heavy work gloves and long sleeves could prevent something bad, or perhaps fatal. Fatal bites to humans appear very rare coming from Gila Monsters, so if you really want one, just go to a hardware store and arm yourself. :mrgreen:
 
montnoir said:
I'm still researching a lot on the different species that I listed earlier and seeing which one would be most appropriate for my current situation.

Don't forget to obtain as much information on the potential breeder you will purchase from. I can't stand how the big-name pet "wholesalers" hand creatures over without even finding out if the buyer is ready for the responsibility. Unfortunately, there are also some private breeders that only see $$$.
 
I read that the venom of the gila monster is in grooves located in the lower jaw so the lizard has to chew and chew to really get the poison into its victim. I also read that a single bite should be "okay" as long as it doesn't move around TOO much (meaning not too much venom gets into the wound). I found this site (http://www.survivalhq.com) that had a section on poisonous animals and it had information on how to remove a gila monster if it does bite and hold on.

Right now it's really tough just to find a dealer, let alone decide if they're good or not. But yeah, I agree that certain breeders are in their profession just for the money and not for the animals themselves. Kind of bad... I remember someone telling me about sports players. Well, basically it was about how many begin playing a sport because they love it... but then they focus on the money and pretty soon, they just play it for the money and not because they love it - so their performance decreases. But yeah, I definitely don't want a pet store pet but it might be my only choice right now =\

I'm going to do some research on Canadian laws regarding the importation of reptiles as pets. If it turns out okay, perhaps I can get one from the USA since I know for certain that there are many more breeders down there than up here.
 
Sorry to be repeating an old story again, but the Burmese Python became one of the "it" pets back in the mid-90's. I got mine after watching it grow from an 18-24 inch hatchling in the fall of '96 to about four feet in March of '97, when the pet store had lowered the price quite a bit. I subsequently, after much more research found out that basically many people had gone into the "pet" production business, just like puppy mills, who wear certain female dogs out to the point of death to crank out "pedigree" pups.

It's cruel and sickening, but once the animals are born, what are we to do? I know we're not supposed to buy dogs from pet stores, but what then? They may have problems, but they can still give and get love. Well, it seems that many people got into the Burmese Python business. A friend of mine, my computer guru, now an IT Director, met a woman many years ago when he was a computer trainer. This woman was a paralegal and did Burmese Python breeding whenever "she needed money." It seemed she could basically crank out 100 hatchlings and sell them to pet stores for $80 apiece with no problem.

Indeed, American record holder in the pole vault Jeff Hartwig, has a booming business with his wife, breeding and selling, . . .

reptiles.

How many people in the United States bought a Burmese Python, kept it well, and until it's death? Raise your hands, please. Probably about as many as the yuppies who bought pot bellied pigs in the 80's and then turned them loose on the highways of Lawn Guyland, weighing 180 pounds and creating a nuisance and eating them out of house and home.

I'm not taking the Hartwigs or anyone else to task really, but we Americans can really suck sometimes when we get interested in certain things. We want to possess it, make it all "our own," and bring it into the family. What's the next "it" pet, Hippos?

Hi, this is Harry, my pet Hippo. They say he'll get to 8,000 pounds eventually, and eat about 100 pounds of food a day, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

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I didn't really keep up closely with reptiles back then so I guess I missed the burmese 'rush' haha I've always loved herps, but never got really into them until '99 when I subscribed to Reptile magazine.

It's so sad seeing those pups and kittens (and whatever else) locked up in those tiny enclosures at pet stores. I know they always say you should never buy a pet out of pity but I always find myself wanting to every time I'm in a pet store.

I have never really believed in the mass production of anything in this world - only because it usually means compromising quality for quantity. Now, 'mass producing' any type of animal is just plain terrible. I'm not all pro-PETA or anything and I'm the furthest from being vegetarian but I still feel bad for animals that are treated cruelly. I don't know, I suppose some people can argue that we're just higher up on the food chain so it's justified. I suppose that is kind of true so humans must do all they can to ensure their survival. I guess my position stands that mass producing meat for consumption is somewhat okay in a 'circle of life' point of view but the mass production of animals that are meant to be pets is just plain wrong.

I'm afraid I missed the hog rush as well!! Seeing as I was only born in '85 =P

Another thing that I'm considering is the life span of some reptiles; especially many pythons - some of which have average life spans of 30 - 40 years. What I should get is a tortoise. With their 100+ year life spans, they can be passed down 3 generations =D

Hahaha hippos are cool animals! I hear they can be mighty viscious
 
Yes, I'm with you all the way. As for hippos, they are indeed vicious, not at all like Peter Potamus and other ridiculous characters that we Americans like to impart to everything around us to sugar coat life, make us feel good, and not tell the truth.

Very little is still known about hippos but thanks to specials like Hippo Beach! and The Hippo: Africa's King Of The River, we're getting to know more. The word is, even to crocodiles, STAY AWAY!!! As for elephants, when they're in the water, even they recognize the hippo as the boss of the river. I saw a show where four or five frustrated, hungry female lions tried to take down a small hippo. Didn't work. The hippo made it back to the river, with a lot of surface cuts and ugly bleeding, but it was only superficial, and the hippo went on living with no problem.
 
hippos will lay the smack down on you, and i love your line about sugar coating (laughed pretty hard). I have seen those shows about them and am pretty fascinated by such a "bad ass" beast. I saw them on tv come charging out of the river to open a can of beans on some other animal and it was like a scene from an action movie!

With aligators and crocodiles i see them so much (aligators only) im no longer scared of them. hell, i have hit golf shots where i was standing about 4 feet away from one on the side of a lagoon. They are beautiful, and i could sit for hours and watch them swim around a lagoon. Hmm come to think of it i have sat for hours and watched them swim around :D
 
It's kind of silly though: how vicious they are. Here we have a fat, dumpy, weird looking animal...TEARIN' UP DA OUTBACK! hahaha Can't you guys imagine Steve Irwin go "Ahraht fokes, so this is wunnuh the MOOOST DANGEROUS ahnimals in the world .... so let's go touch it."

Yeah, my last trip to Costa Rica has completely familiarized me to the alligator since they're everywhere!

Sorry to cut this short, gotta drive my sis to the bus stop.
 
id love to see steve corwin get his butt kicked by a hippo, would probably be the best TV i have ever seen!
 
Yeah, I know! He's so funny. Always goes on about how dangerous something is and how it shouldn't be approached...then proceeds to capture it.
 
Heyyyyyyy, are we talkin' 'bout Steve Erwin here or Jeff Corwin?

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Bloof, Sorry for not getting back to you on the blood python sooner. The blood python looks like any other pythin until late adolescence/adulthood where their color schema changes to include the most bloody reds in nature! They look absolutely magnificant, but once again, are not know for their good tempers. They tend to be nervous, quick to strike, and basically a pain in the ass to own. I had a lemon head reticulated python for about 6 months that was owned by a friend of mine who had no idea that the reticulated python holds the world record for length and size next to the anaconda for constrictors. At any rate, this snake was about 12 foot long and weighed about 70 pound I think. It's been awhile since having it, and the whole experience was very nerve racking, so, I think I purged the whole affair from the old memory banks, but, that snake struck at gass for fun! I know while that snake was in my care no one ever tapped the glass, mad any movements around that habitat to scare or rile up that snake, and it would strike at a shodow if it thought it could get a fang in it. Needless to say, it went to a local zoo ASAP and it still there for all I know. I had a emerald green tree boa for about 3 months on loan from a local zoo. She was an absolute sight to behold, but once again, very difficult tempered, and difficult to feed. We are talking about something that spends the majority of it's life in a tree, so naural diet consisted of birds, eggs, things of that nature. If you think feeding live rats is hard ( hard meaning watching over the snake to make sure it eats, if not, the rat will eat the snake!!) Well think of putting a live chick in a terranium and watching like a hawk since the chick goes straight for the eyes first, where usually a rat will chew on the tail or mid section hoping not to be eaten!...for the most part. Anyhow, just tripping about my herp experiences :D :D
 
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Cool stories. Gotta leave the house soon, so no time to check the link now, but will when I get back tomorrow night. Thanks.
 
Wow a reticulated python?! Now that is something I'd like to own one day - that is, if I can get a tank large enough or perhaps devote a small room or closet to it. What size tank are we looking at to house a reticulated python??

You had a emerald tree boa?! I'm soooo jealous. Even if it was on loan, just having it to yourself is just so cool. Do you have any photos of it?

Oh yeah, if you guys can post pictures of your reptiles, that would be really cool!